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	<description>ben shepherd's blog about all things media</description>
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		<title>By: talkingdigital</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>talkingdigital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey tamir - that&#039;s a pretty good observation around &#039;Have you ever heard of a customer service campaign?&#039;. A different way of looking at it but probably the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey tamir &#8211; that&#8217;s a pretty good observation around &#8216;Have you ever heard of a customer service campaign?&#8217;. A different way of looking at it but probably the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamir Berkman</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamir Berkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved that rant Ben. At the moment Anyone with a facebook + linkedin + twitter profile is a social media expert. The social buzz is also attracting clients and sometimes you have to use that stupid phrase. (Is it better than web2.0 though? We&#039;re trying to call it &quot;earned media&quot;. What do you think?)
Personally I find it hard to talk about social media campaigns. I believe talking with people should be an integral part of the business like customer service. Have you ever heard of a customer service campaign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved that rant Ben. At the moment Anyone with a facebook + linkedin + twitter profile is a social media expert. The social buzz is also attracting clients and sometimes you have to use that stupid phrase. (Is it better than web2.0 though? We&#8217;re trying to call it &#8220;earned media&#8221;. What do you think?)<br />
Personally I find it hard to talk about social media campaigns. I believe talking with people should be an integral part of the business like customer service. Have you ever heard of a customer service campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Richardson</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add to this bullying behaviour and I reckon you got the makings of a typical school yard.

I agree with Tim though as I&#039;m all for opportunism, and I don&#039;t mind people spruiking their wares as long as it&#039;s warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add to this bullying behaviour and I reckon you got the makings of a typical school yard.</p>
<p>I agree with Tim though as I&#8217;m all for opportunism, and I don&#8217;t mind people spruiking their wares as long as it&#8217;s warranted.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Burrowes - Mumbrella</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Burrowes - Mumbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben,

You raise a really big issue.

I&#039;ve met/ talked to/ read the ravings of some utter charlatans in the last few months.

Of the shoddy operators, it strikes me that they form two groups. First  - the cynical ripping off the gullible because they see a few bucks. Second - those who don&#039;t know that they don&#039;t know.

That said, I don&#039;t think the question should be about people getting into this for self interest. Capitalism is about spotting opportunities in the market. Surely, it should be about whether they add genuine value for their new clients. It really shouldn&#039;t matter if someone is being opportunisitic if they are providing a genuine service.

Cheers,

Tim - Mumbrella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben,</p>
<p>You raise a really big issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met/ talked to/ read the ravings of some utter charlatans in the last few months.</p>
<p>Of the shoddy operators, it strikes me that they form two groups. First  &#8211; the cynical ripping off the gullible because they see a few bucks. Second &#8211; those who don&#8217;t know that they don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t think the question should be about people getting into this for self interest. Capitalism is about spotting opportunities in the market. Surely, it should be about whether they add genuine value for their new clients. It really shouldn&#8217;t matter if someone is being opportunisitic if they are providing a genuine service.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tim &#8211; Mumbrella</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How&#039;d you know I was outside Maccas at 5am?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;d you know I was outside Maccas at 5am?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Lintzeris</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Lintzeris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider myself quite active within social media.

I use some form of social media every day of the year.  Yes, more than I listen to the radio. Yes, more than reading the newspaper. Yes, more than reading magazines. 

It&#039;s obvious there is a space for brands to be active within SM and there is space for brands to do it really really well. 

However, all good media strategies (be it in offline/online) should be able to answer some basic questions - How? When? Where? Why? Who? What? These are the building blocks of any campaign. 

To my knowledge - these are questions that haven&#039;t been answered correctly by any Australian brand using SM. Why?

To quote a friend of mine - &#039;It&#039;s Hot&#039;. 

SM is hot. It&#039;s new, it&#039;s cool. Our brands are cool, our brands are new. Perfect fit. We love SM. 

Probably not a good way to go about things. 

Yes, there are brands (Skittles, Prototype, Burger King, Dell etc) who have used SM effectively - in the USA, but Australia - no. 

So what are the social media strategists in Australia doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider myself quite active within social media.</p>
<p>I use some form of social media every day of the year.  Yes, more than I listen to the radio. Yes, more than reading the newspaper. Yes, more than reading magazines. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious there is a space for brands to be active within SM and there is space for brands to do it really really well. </p>
<p>However, all good media strategies (be it in offline/online) should be able to answer some basic questions &#8211; How? When? Where? Why? Who? What? These are the building blocks of any campaign. </p>
<p>To my knowledge &#8211; these are questions that haven&#8217;t been answered correctly by any Australian brand using SM. Why?</p>
<p>To quote a friend of mine &#8211; &#8216;It&#8217;s Hot&#8217;. </p>
<p>SM is hot. It&#8217;s new, it&#8217;s cool. Our brands are cool, our brands are new. Perfect fit. We love SM. </p>
<p>Probably not a good way to go about things. </p>
<p>Yes, there are brands (Skittles, Prototype, Burger King, Dell etc) who have used SM effectively &#8211; in the USA, but Australia &#8211; no. </p>
<p>So what are the social media strategists in Australia doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Kruppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kruppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some fair points Shep. I agree with your call on the existence of &#039;experts&#039; in the Australian social media industry today. No such thing. I think the Australian market is at a stage where somebody may have seen enough social media campaigns to be a &#039;consultant&#039; but an expert. Not quite. Unless that is they have come from the US and worked on many more campaigns over there. Even then does 2 or so years of experience make one an expert? I&#039;d say more of a consultant. There is a difference.

And re: &quot;It could be argued this is technology [social media tracking] for technologies sake. Sure, it can be done … but does it need to be? And who really benefits from it?&quot;

Sure not every social media mention is worth responding to (as Zak M discussed in a post recently) but I personally see a lot of value in rewarding those who mention your brand in a positive light. These consumers are natural brand advocates and should be appreciated. By rewarding these twitterers or bloggers with free product (or anotehr reward) they are even more likely to speak positively about your brand. And as all marketers know, the most effective form of advertising is word of mouth...

So I reckon all brands can potentially benefit from these tracking systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some fair points Shep. I agree with your call on the existence of &#8216;experts&#8217; in the Australian social media industry today. No such thing. I think the Australian market is at a stage where somebody may have seen enough social media campaigns to be a &#8216;consultant&#8217; but an expert. Not quite. Unless that is they have come from the US and worked on many more campaigns over there. Even then does 2 or so years of experience make one an expert? I&#8217;d say more of a consultant. There is a difference.</p>
<p>And re: &#8220;It could be argued this is technology [social media tracking] for technologies sake. Sure, it can be done … but does it need to be? And who really benefits from it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure not every social media mention is worth responding to (as Zak M discussed in a post recently) but I personally see a lot of value in rewarding those who mention your brand in a positive light. These consumers are natural brand advocates and should be appreciated. By rewarding these twitterers or bloggers with free product (or anotehr reward) they are even more likely to speak positively about your brand. And as all marketers know, the most effective form of advertising is word of mouth&#8230;</p>
<p>So I reckon all brands can potentially benefit from these tracking systems?</p>
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		<title>By: joelyrighteous</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>joelyrighteous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and it brings up some a lot of points that echo my recent thoughts.

I personally have a lot of belief that the social web holds massive potential and that some verticals (music, entertainment, etc) should definitely be utilising the marketing potential it holds.

However at the moment it feels like a bit of a gold rush with too many marketers rushing to the hills, all the while forgetting that the people getting rich are the shovel salesmen.

Once again, not all the SM strategist/expert/specialists fall into the realm of the snake oil salesmen, but a lot do. 

My guess is that over the next 12 months we will start to get a much clearer picture of the effectiveness of these campaigns and their real impact on the bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and it brings up some a lot of points that echo my recent thoughts.</p>
<p>I personally have a lot of belief that the social web holds massive potential and that some verticals (music, entertainment, etc) should definitely be utilising the marketing potential it holds.</p>
<p>However at the moment it feels like a bit of a gold rush with too many marketers rushing to the hills, all the while forgetting that the people getting rich are the shovel salesmen.</p>
<p>Once again, not all the SM strategist/expert/specialists fall into the realm of the snake oil salesmen, but a lot do. </p>
<p>My guess is that over the next 12 months we will start to get a much clearer picture of the effectiveness of these campaigns and their real impact on the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Armando Alves</title>
		<link>http://talkingdigital.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/self-interest-or-principle/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Armando Alves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a long rant.

Advertising should stick to the basics: change consumer behavior. Whether it&#039;s social media, direct, tv, etc doesn&#039;t really matter.

Social Web does have the benefit of putting a number on those customers, with almost instant feedback, a long walk since the days of John Wannamaker.

As for the social media experts snake oil, unless they starting presenting results, they probably will end up like &#039;heritage media&#039;. But if brands like Google or Wikipedia are were they are (mostly) without advertising, it&#039;s about time we should consider social capital, customer service and iterative product design as a worthy alternative solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a long rant.</p>
<p>Advertising should stick to the basics: change consumer behavior. Whether it&#8217;s social media, direct, tv, etc doesn&#8217;t really matter.</p>
<p>Social Web does have the benefit of putting a number on those customers, with almost instant feedback, a long walk since the days of John Wannamaker.</p>
<p>As for the social media experts snake oil, unless they starting presenting results, they probably will end up like &#8216;heritage media&#8217;. But if brands like Google or Wikipedia are were they are (mostly) without advertising, it&#8217;s about time we should consider social capital, customer service and iterative product design as a worthy alternative solution.</p>
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